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Post by NT on Sept 18, 2005 7:25:59 GMT
I had a car that I fail on, n/s/f tyre worn below 1.6mm. o/s/f tyre worn below 1.6mm. n/s/f headlight aim too low. o/s/f headlight not working on dipped beam. o/s head lamp aim not tested. So if this vehicle comes back the same or next working day is it, A PARTIAL RETEST (minor items) or A FULL RETEST.
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graham
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Post by graham on Sept 18, 2005 10:10:24 GMT
I had a car that I fail on, n/s/f tyre worn below 1.6mm. o/s/f tyre worn below 1.6mm. n/s/f headlight aim too low. o/s/f headlight not working on dipped beam. o/s head lamp aim not tested. So if this vehicle comes back the same or next working day is it, A PARTIAL RETEST (minor items) or A FULL RETEST. Tyres are a partial test item as is lamps / headlamp aim so I would read the above as a partial (free resest) Graham
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Post by Steven on Sept 18, 2005 10:21:36 GMT
The car should definitely be subject to a partial retest. The list of items is on the back of the VT30.
If any further faults are found when doing a partial retest, then another VT30 must be issued.
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Post by wingnut on Sept 18, 2005 11:22:09 GMT
Just to add this does not apply to class 1 and 2.regarding the headlights i will read up and confirm to-morrow as i think something is not quite correct.
Yep it is correct,VT 30 if any partial retest item are still a fail.
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NT
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Post by NT on Sept 19, 2005 17:20:55 GMT
That's what it is - a partial retest on class 4. But the computer would not let me register it as a partial retest (minor items). I think it has got something to do with the "o/s head lamp aim not tested". Possibly that is why it would not allow me to do it and that is wrong. So I phoned up Siemens help desk, but no joy there, so I am going to ring VOSA tomorrow...
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Post by graham on Sept 19, 2005 17:43:38 GMT
That's what it is - a partial retest on class 4. But the computer would not let me register it as a partial retest (minor items). I think it has got something to do with the "o/s head lamp aim not tested". Possibly that is why it would not allow me to do it and that is wrong. So I phoned up Siemens help desk, but no joy there, so I am going to ring VOSA tomorrow... Hmmmm we are not computerised yet (thank god) but I suspect you are right. You put o/s/f headlight not working on dipped beam. o/s head lamp aim not tested. as fail items Did you have to put o/s head lamp aim not tested. as well as o/s/f headlight not working on dipped beam. Just a thought, as you are going to have to phone VOSA tomorrow, will the system allow it to go through as a partial test, now more than the usual time limit has passed? Graham
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wingnut
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Post by wingnut on Sept 19, 2005 18:41:36 GMT
Cripes the plot thickens. Have we no VOSA bloke on board are they really invisable to all this.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Sept 20, 2005 7:04:04 GMT
The computer won't automatically put 'headlight aim not tested' when you select 'dipped beam not working'.
Selecting items that weren't tested, such as - emissions, brakes, headlamps, etc is a procedure that the NT must manually select.
Are you going to contact your VE using the MOT Computerisation's built-in messaging system ?
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Post by rebel on Sept 20, 2005 19:12:19 GMT
"Are you going to contact your VE using the MOT Computerisation's built-in messaging system ?"
I've used the built - in messaging system several times in the last month to ask questions, and have as yet to receive a repy!
Don't hold your breath!!
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NT
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Post by NT on Sept 21, 2005 7:54:55 GMT
An update.. On Saturday, I couldn't register the test as a partial retest (minor items), AND the customer was waiting for the certficate to be issued. I contacted Siemens, spoke to nice lady, but she was of no real help. She told me to contact VOSA on Monday. My Site Manager told me to register it as a full retest, and make a note on the VT40 of the situation. I didn't have chance to phone VOSA on Monday, but phoned them yesterday. The local office gave me a number for their computerisation expert. He wanted to know why I logged the headlight aim as 'not tested'. I asked him how could I test it if it wasn't working In the old days, I used to write 'Offside dipped headlamp not working - unable to test aim'. I wanted to do the same in the computerised system. He told me to get around it, do a full retest (I had already done that Saturday ) and to send a message to the Service Desk so that they could log the fault & try to solve it so it doesn't re-occur. By the way, the Service Desk in the Messaging System is the VOSA service desk - not Siemens Service Desk.
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Post by NT on Sept 22, 2005 20:02:25 GMT
Someone from Siemens phoned me today. For some reason he said I should not have selected the 'Headlight aim not tested' option. If the headlight does not work on dipped beam, then how can I test the aim ? If I am not to select the 'Headlight aim not tested' function in this instance, then when should I use it ? Does anyone else select the 'headlight aim not tested' feature when a headlight does not work on dipped beam ? Or do all your cars come in for test with fully functioning lights ?
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Post by rebel on Sept 22, 2005 22:28:32 GMT
I have also had this problem and fully agree with you. If a dipped beam doesn't work then you have to use the 'Headlight aim not tested' option. Not to do so - as you were instructed - would mean passing a testable item that you haven't tested - an offence in it's self.
I sometimes think VOSA / Siemens are completely out of touch with reality!
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Post by wingnut on Sept 23, 2005 6:33:45 GMT
Does all this appy when carrying out a light test on [hot spot] main beam i wonder. Have not had one fail yet.
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Post by Tom on Sept 23, 2005 7:04:13 GMT
Does all this appy when carrying out a light test on [hot spot] main beam i wonder. Have not had one fail yet. If you fail any headlight beam for "not working", and that beam is the one the headlamp should be tested on, then manually selecting "headlamp aim not tested" seems to be the sensible action to take. If a vehicle comes back for partial retest for any lamp or headlamp aim to be tested, then it should definitely be a free retest. Computers will do what they have been programmed to do. If the VTS computer won't allow a retest because the headlamp aim wasn't tested, then someone has programmed it not to do so. The programmers were not MOT testers, and so should be informed of any discrepancies such as this.
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Post by wingnut on Sept 23, 2005 8:35:04 GMT
And i thought the programers ie Siemens and VOSA have been working along side from start to finish over if i am correct ten years to get it right first time with the roll out to a certain number of garages first! What else will be revealed i wonder apart from all garages building the VOSA database and thousands of update corrections from DVLA at the garages expence[Time] unless of course i have it wrong.
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Post by rebel on Sept 23, 2005 13:33:11 GMT
"Computers will do what they have been programmed to do. If the VTS computer won't allow a retest because the headlamp aim wasn't tested, then someone has programmed it not to do so. The programmers were not MOT testers, and so should be informed of any discrepancies such as this."
Spot on Tom, I have reported this problem via the built in messaging system - but have had no response!
I have decided that the best way around this problem for now is to fail the light for not working, and then to manually advise that the aim has not been checked on a VT32.
At least you clear yourself this way, and should be able to do a short retest if required.
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Post by Tom on Sept 23, 2005 13:50:18 GMT
What about failing the defect, selecting 'Headlamp aim not tested'.
When it returns for a partial retest, and the computer won't allow you to register it, then log it in as a full retest, but issue a pass straight away.
If we all did this, then the system would soon be corrected...
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Post by wingnut on Sept 23, 2005 16:00:29 GMT
Tom great thinking but it might not issue on short time basis.
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Post by graham on Sept 23, 2005 16:50:24 GMT
I suspect that whenever you select an option "XXX XXX not tested" the system assumes that the whole MOT test has not been fully completed and therefore a full retest is going to be needed.
Graham
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Post by Admin on Sept 23, 2005 18:57:27 GMT
I suspect that whenever you select an option "XXX XXX not tested" the system assumes that the whole MOT test has not been fully completed and therefore a full retest is going to be needed. Graham That's understandable for Brakes or Emissions. The test would have to be Abandoned. But surely not for headlamp aims ?
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