nitros44
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Post by nitros44 on Dec 26, 2011 16:09:45 GMT
With regards to the new testing manual section 7.1 rfr 3 A CATALYTIC CONVERTER MISSING WHERE ONE WAS FITTED AS STANDARD is the reason for rejection. The method of inspection states,, ON VEHICLES THAT QUALIFY FOR A FULL CAT EMISSIONS TEST CHECK THE PRESENCE OF A CAT CONVERTER. CAN ANYONE SEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS FROM A TESTERS POINT OF VIEW(apart from some presenters wanting to complain) ? or is it just me"!!!! members feedback please
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Post by phaetonott on Dec 26, 2011 18:19:31 GMT
1/You can buy performance cats that look like the old cherry-bomb centre boxes, do I have to take it apart to see if it's a cat?
2/ if all the ceramic gubbins has broken up and blown out of the tailpipe has it still got a cat fitted? and again, how do I tell?
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Post by NT on Dec 26, 2011 18:49:15 GMT
I think that the car would not got through the emissions test if the cat was missing, as the limits are so low.
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Post by Daveg on Dec 26, 2011 21:35:10 GMT
As I understand it we check the cat is fitted by visual inspection, I think we all know what a cat looks like ;D If the vehicle is running on LPG we pass and advise if the cat is missing, or fail it if the vehicle is running on petrol, I think ;D Attachments:
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Post by nitros44 on Dec 27, 2011 17:56:04 GMT
At first i thought i had googled cat and dog shelter instead of a mot forum lol DAVEG If the vehicle is running on LPG we pass and advise if the cat is missing, or fail it if the vehicle is running on petrol, I think ;D What do you mean "YOU THINK" so there are issues then If i could rely on someone to find a issue here i thought i could rely on you. ,,,,,,,,,,,LOL just as well we have till April before we start failing them HEAVEN HELP US [/quote]
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Post by Daveg on Dec 27, 2011 20:08:40 GMT
The amount of debates we have on here lol, we better ask VOSA for an extension then ;D
Heaven LOL, have you been ;D
It's a place of happiness lol ;D
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2011 21:52:20 GMT
There's a device on the market to prevent CATs going missing.
It's a cross between a wheel clamp and a Kensington laptop computer lock.
It clam
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Post by Tom on Dec 27, 2011 21:54:42 GMT
There's a device on the market to prevent CATs going missing.
It's a cross between a wheel clamp and a Kensington laptop computer lock.
It clamps around the CAT like a clamshell and the hacksaw proof cable is padlocked to the chassis.
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Post by Stealth on Dec 28, 2011 9:38:31 GMT
There's a device on the market to prevent CATs going missing. My cat has a microchip - the vet fitted it
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Post by nitros44 on Dec 28, 2011 22:18:53 GMT
There's a device on the market to prevent CATs going missing. My cat has a microchip - the vet fitted it Or we can check our garages and sheds,maybe put a MISSING CAT poster in the shop window NO ONE CARES ANYMORE ON THIS FORUM ANYONE WHO COMES ON AT THE MOMENT THINKS THEY JOHN BISHOP LOL(please dont come on and ask whos john bishop) i am trying to hold this forum together LOL
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Post by phaetonott on Dec 28, 2011 23:58:01 GMT
its not working Nitros!
Any answer to the question "if the guts have fallen out of the catalytic converter has it still got a cat fitted"? We can't fail it for cat missing, but surely we shouldn't pass it. Yes we'll probably get it on the gas analyser but I have seen leanburn cars pass without a cat fitted.
Another thing springs to mind......... . . . . Some cars have more than one cat fitted. Do they both have to be there?
(And if so how do we stop them breeding?)
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Post by prb5244 on Dec 29, 2011 7:50:09 GMT
is it not come a fail only if it needs a full cat test after 1995 some useing flow charts direct you to non cat anyway ?
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Post by nitros44 on Dec 29, 2011 13:29:31 GMT
1/You can buy performance cats that look like the old cherry-bomb centre boxes, do I have to take it apart to see if it's a cat? 2/ if all the ceramic gubbins has broken up and blown out of the tailpipe has it still got a cat fitted? and again, how do I tell? The key word here is PRESENCE of a catalytic converter It is a requirement to check the condition of a exhaust system but we can only examine what we can see At the end of the day if the internals have disintergrated if the cat is still there then its still classed as present , The condition of the inside and how it performs is someone elses problem
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Post by spotty on Dec 29, 2011 17:18:53 GMT
ON VEHICLES THAT QUALIFY FOR A FULL CAT EMISSIONS TEST CHECK THE PRESENCE OF A CAT CONVERTER. This is the part which seems ambiguous to me. The manual makes a clear distinction between the BET and a full cat test. We carry out alot less full cat tests than BETs and why do we carry out full cat tests? - because of a BET failure, so logic dictates that to qualify for a full cat test the vehicle must have failed the BET. Does this mean that a BET pass and a missing cat is a pass?
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Post by Daveg on Dec 29, 2011 18:30:31 GMT
ON VEHICLES THAT QUALIFY FOR A FULL CAT EMISSIONS TEST CHECK THE PRESENCE OF A CAT CONVERTER. This is the part which seems ambiguous to me. The manual makes a clear distinction between the BET and a full cat test. We carry out alot less full cat tests than BETs and why do we carry out full cat tests? - because of a BET failure, so logic dictates that to qualify for a full cat test the vehicle must have failed the BET. Does this mean that a BET pass and a missing cat is a pass? A missing CAT is a fail unless the vehicle is running on LPG.
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Post by motdave on Dec 29, 2011 19:13:25 GMT
ON VEHICLES THAT QUALIFY FOR A FULL CAT EMISSIONS TEST CHECK THE PRESENCE OF A CAT CONVERTER. This is the part which seems ambiguous to me. The manual makes a clear distinction between the BET and a full cat test. We carry out alot less full cat tests than BETs and why do we carry out full cat tests? - because of a BET failure, so logic dictates that to qualify for a full cat test the vehicle must have failed the BET. Does this mean that a BET pass and a missing cat is a pass? Thats what I take it to mean. A basic emissions test vs a full cat test: A vehicle that passes the BET doesn't meet the qualifications for a FULL test. If it was ALL cat equipped cars, the the manual might have told us to fail all cars listed in the emissions data book that had their cat missing.
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Post by Daveg on Dec 29, 2011 22:33:26 GMT
My understanding of the BET test from VI back in the day advised that the stricker standard of the BET was a Euopean Standard, and if a vehicle could not meet that standard, which is stricker limit, then the vehicle naturally defaulted back to the FULL CAT TEST, which is the minimum standard for the type of vehicle tested with a CAT. Dave
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Post by nitros44 on Dec 29, 2011 22:42:12 GMT
My understanding of the BET test from VI back in the day advised that the stricker standard of the BET was a Euopean Standard, and if a vehicle could not meet that standard, which is stricker limit, then the vehicle naturally defaulted back to the FULL CAT TEST, which is the minimum standard for the type of vehicle tested with a CAT. Dave YOU WOULD BE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT, A FULL CAT TEST IS JUST AN EXTENDED PART OF THE BET TEST I TOO WAS INFORMED OF THAT NOW THEN,, WHAT CAN WE CONCLUDE FROM THIS ?
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Post by Daveg on Dec 29, 2011 22:48:17 GMT
My understanding of the BET test from VI back in the day advised that the stricker standard of the BET was a Euopean Standard, and if a vehicle could not meet that standard, which is stricker limit, then the vehicle naturally defaulted back to the FULL CAT TEST, which is the minimum standard for the type of vehicle tested with a CAT. Dave YOU WOULD BE CORRECT IN SAYING THAT, A FULL CAT TEST IS JUST AN EXTENDED PART OF THE BET TEST I TOO WAS INFORMED OF THAT NOW THEN,, WHAT CAN WE CONCLUDE FROM THIS ? That you are using capitals and appear to be SHOUTING at ME LOL ;D and that I was working my way through the forum threads in answers to some questions and you upset my route LOL ;D
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Post by nitros44 on Dec 29, 2011 23:02:20 GMT
That is not the answer i was looking for However on that note i will move out your way and take the hint :)lol Note this rfr is live from the 1st jan 2012 not april
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