Tom
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Post by Tom on Apr 25, 2006 21:42:48 GMT
Q. Why on earth do we have to hand write VT30s during Emergency Testing ?OK, it is understandable to have to do it during Fallback - if the VTS printer is faulty for instance. Surely it isn't difficult to run the routine that brings up the RfR lists, and allow us to select the failure items, print out a VT30 and store the record on our VTS Device until MOT Computerisation comes back online ? At least then we will be issuing the VOSA preferred failure descriptions like: 'offside headlamp aim too high when headlamp positioned below 830mm from the ground'instead of having to write: 'o/s headlamp aim too high' as per the good old days I'm sure that storing the test details on the VTS Device during ET will assist greatly when performing the ET Catchup procedure, too.
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rebel
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Post by rebel on Apr 26, 2006 22:44:05 GMT
I quite agree Tom.
There is an unused usb port on the front of the terminal which could be utilised to facilitate ET functions. (I've been itching to plug something into this usb port - preferably a big long screwdriver!)
And whilst on the subject of hand writing ET forms, how many left handed writers, like me, cant fill in a ET20 legibly.
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2006 22:52:09 GMT
It would make good sense to be able to enter the test details on the VTS Device during Emergency Testing.
Perhaps VOSA / Siemens are taking notes...
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motdave
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Post by motdave on Apr 27, 2006 22:39:19 GMT
An excellent idea.
Why didn't Siemens / VOSA implement it ?
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Post by Mr. Tester on Apr 28, 2006 1:23:43 GMT
''And whilst on the subject of hand writing ET forms, how many left handed writers, like me, cant fill in a ET20 legibly.''
I'm not left handed but i can see what you mean. I found the ET pads really awkward to use ...made a right mess of the first couple of pages till I found an old bit of carbon paper and fished that piece of cardboard out from the bin. If the certificates are self carboned, why cant the logs be? The system seems the same as pre-v.t.s., with certificates and logs, but it would have made things a whole lot easier if they'd designed in some familiarity. Because the training I recieved certainly didn't prepare me for this. The only mention of the ET pack as I recall was about keeping it locked up. Hey, maybe this whole system failure was designed to TEST US by making us use the ET system, and gain familiarity with it. It'd be bad publicity, yes, but cheaper for vosa/siemens than retraining everyone.............
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Post by ammer1t on Apr 28, 2006 6:30:33 GMT
What a sneaky thought Mr Tester ,you could be right though !. just proves that they can't get that right either
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spanner
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Post by spanner on Apr 28, 2006 6:50:32 GMT
Sh*t you need a carbon copy of the log too?
oh well another blunder to add to my list.
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graham
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Post by graham on Apr 28, 2006 8:44:58 GMT
Duplicate for the Logs? Where does it ask for that? I certainly haven't done one and don't intend to. They can have a photo copy if they want one.
Graham
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Post by martinrowe on Apr 28, 2006 9:29:48 GMT
they can have the whole lot back if they want
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Post by ncynotts on Apr 28, 2006 17:04:21 GMT
Does anyone know where to send the record part of the ET book? Is it the area office where we used to send the vt12? I would ring the help desk but it might be better to wait a couple of days......
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Apr 28, 2006 18:27:56 GMT
Duplicate for the Logs? Where does it ask for that? I certainly haven't done one and don't intend to. They can have a photo copy if they want one. Graham Me too. Can someone clear this up, are you supposed to make copies and send them off?
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Post by Mr. Tester on Apr 28, 2006 19:13:04 GMT
Don't panic, I could be wrong lol.....but I'm sure that somewhere in the headache inducing blur called section 10 of the testing guide i saw "retain carbon copy". I had a problem today where the VTS device completed a test but didn't print the documents. So I phoned VOSA at Mitcham and not only did I get through but, I've got to say, they were really helpful. The guy I spoke to was obviously stressed out but he was definately on the ball and soon got things sorted. He also mentioned that it was unlikely that mistakes made by us under difficult circumstances would result in action being taken against us.
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rebel
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Post by rebel on Apr 28, 2006 19:26:50 GMT
"He also mentioned that it was unlikely that mistakes made by us under difficult circumstances would result in action being taken against us"
I should hope not!!
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daveh
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Post by daveh on Apr 28, 2006 19:44:19 GMT
Why would we need to send the log file to VOSA, they have access to the info already on the system....I haven't made carbon copies and I have no intention of sending them off. I requested a report off the system that lists all my emergency tests, I have used that to check entries made in the ET book DaveH
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Apr 29, 2006 18:03:05 GMT
Duplicate for the Logs? Where does it ask for that? I certainly haven't done one and don't intend to. They can have a photo copy if they want one. Graham I had a few minutes spare today in between tests so I looked into this today. In the Emergency testing section of the VTS device manual (F5), it says that the Emergency Test Log has got to be done in duplicate. Bo**ocks.
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graham
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Post by graham on Apr 29, 2006 21:00:13 GMT
Then the logs should have been self carboning like the certs or carbon provided like the old register. I noticed that every page in the logs is perforated, unlike the old registers where every other page was perforated.
Graham
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Post by hamvideo on Apr 29, 2006 21:51:30 GMT
HI All. Like the majority of you I have not done duplicate copies of the ET log, having initially studied the ET pad, I found that the ET20's were NCR paper (self carbonated) and the copy was not removable, if this was also the case for the log sheets they would have been NCR paper. Also unlike our old log books all the log sheets are perforated for removal, by virtue of this I take it to mean that I keep the ones in the book and consider the ones entered electronically as "enter ET test results" as the copies, the originals in the book being sent on IF REQUESTED at a later time, as far as I am aware there is NO requirement to send on the log sheets, after all VOSA has the information already. If they want it done in duplicate in the book they can do it themselves (VOSA) as I have wasted more time than neccessary already helping to correct their c*c**ps. It takes about seven minutes to enter each ET result so i've been getting home about 1.5 hrs later than usual and i also have some well fed dogs (my dinners). I would like to thank DaveH for his tip on clearing locked cards, after having tried to get through to the service desk several times on thursday (unsuccesfully) to clear my NT's card, mine was working OK by the way, we waited until next morning, I did the startup procedure and then got my NT to syncronise his card and hey presto his card was clear and he was able to test in the normal way. I'm sure that after this big fiasco I have lost the rest of what little hair I had left, we certainly do not need this amount of stress.
Happy days (I wish).
Regards Henry.
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