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Post by wingnuts on Sept 11, 2005 18:12:28 GMT
i have a left hand drive renault clio 1200 rn,have known the car for six years and owned it for three.it is a "j"reg,registration doc.says it is 1992 no month mentioned,every previous mot it has had a non cat test done,but now according to the vts where i took it it must have a cat test because the computer says so.they couldnt get a match until they put in the engine code .did they on the continent use cat vehicles earlier than here and if the dvla issues a j plate can vosa override this by saying you must have a cat test?
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motdave
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Post by motdave on Sept 11, 2005 21:42:05 GMT
A 'J' reg vehicle is 1/8/91 to 31/7/92. The petrol emissions limits are < 3.5% CO & < 1200 ppm HC. It does not require a CAT test, even though a CAT may be fitted from new.
When registering the vehicle for test, numerous drop-down lists are presented, upon each selection the search to identify your exact vehicle is narrowed down. It is possible the tester selected the wrong emissions requirement when registering your vehicle for test.
You state that the V5 only specifies the year of manufacture. A day and month are required when registering for test. What date did the tester use ?
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Post by wingnuts on Sept 12, 2005 8:12:48 GMT
the computer only said it had to have a cat test after the engine number was entered ,this was checked two or three times to make sure it was right and there was an exact match for it.this car was brought into this country in 1999 because they had a job over here,all the details where given to the dvla who issued a j plate,my point is was this engine number used on the continent before 01/08/1992 and over here after.would this explain the confusion.
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wingnut
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Post by wingnut on Sept 13, 2005 5:59:58 GMT
Could it be that Vosa overide DVLA's database due to engine codes etc even though DVLA would have all the docks necessary to confirm vehicle manufactured before August 1st 1992 when first registered at time of import in this case up to August 1st 1992 IF so that puts the cat among the pigeons. If so how many credit points do i get and how many debit points do VOSA get.
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Sept 13, 2005 7:39:13 GMT
When your vehicle was imported, a registration mark appropriate to its date of first use was issued. The DVLA determined this mark to be 'J'. They would have been provided with satisfactory evidence that the vehicle was first used overseas between 1/8/1991 & 31/7/1992. The 'registering vehicle for MOT' process on the VTS device is to identify an exact match in the VSI database for the vehicle being presented for test. How can yours be an exact match if the vehicle is 1/8/1991 - 31/7/1992 and the emissions limit selected is for 1/8/1992 to 31/7/1995 (a cat test, using vehicle specific limits) ? Either the correct (non cat test) limits should be selected, or the VSI process aborted (because an exact match is not found), and the vehicle details entered manually. The MOT test limits must be selected for the older of the vehicle or engine. PS *** IMPORTANT *** The VSI database is only suitable for vehicles upto approx. 10 years old. Vehicles older than this will need to have their details entered manually. ref: SN 5/2003 03/2005 www.vosa.gov.uk/vosa/publications/special%20notice%2003-05.pdf
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Post by graham on Sept 13, 2005 10:24:14 GMT
Vehicles older than this will need to have their details entered manually. ref: SN 5/2003 Or even SN 3/2005 ;D Graham
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Tom
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Post by Tom on Sept 13, 2005 17:45:54 GMT
Vehicles older than this will need to have their details entered manually. ref: SN 5/2003 Or even SN 3/2005 ;D Graham Hi Graham, Ooops! The %20's in the URL made me think I was looking at 2003!
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wingnut
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Post by wingnut on Sept 13, 2005 19:18:29 GMT
Have i missed something. First post 11th 7-12pm said V5 J reg 1992 no month given on V5. I assume that this must be the year entered and came back with no match. Please confirm wingnuts. If so then SN 3-2005 states "Nt's searching for a vehicle match within the VSI can reduce the number if model variants displayed by entering as many of the vehicle characteristics as it possible within the available seach fields". It apperes from the first posting that an exact match was found with the engine code added. And yes Dvla do make mistakes and many from my details, can we put pictures up! And yes Vosa make misstakes as we all do being human. More on the 10 year vehicles needing to be manully entered in due course.
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Post by Steven on Sept 13, 2005 23:29:59 GMT
Surely, being a J reg, then no CAT test is required ?
It doesn't matter what the engine code is. You could stick a brand new engine in there, but it should still be tested to the limits for a J reg.
As a matter of interest, could the original poster (wingnuts) post some further details of the vehicle.. ie 1. Is it just RN or is there any model description (such as Rio Grande, Authentique, etc) 2. Is it a 3dr or 5dr. 3. What is the engine code ? 4. The first part of the chassis number (10/11 digits) ie VF1BCAOAF50 5. Manual / Automatic transmission 6. Confirm it is 1.2 petrol. 7. Confirm it is J prefix registration.
DON'T POST ANY OTHER SPECIFIC DETAILS, OTHER THAN WHAT IS ASKED FOR ABOVE.
A search of the VSI can then be undertaken to view the scenario encountered.
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Post by wingnuts on Sept 26, 2005 22:47:22 GMT
sorry for not replying earlier ,been away. i don't think there is a need to put up the car details in full as they where thoroughly checked at the time of the test,my original question still stands in that why after the year ,chassis number etc has been input (all correct)and then the engine number (of which there was a choice of i think 5) did it say it needed a cat test? Stephen do you mean you just ignore it and do a standard emission test?
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Post by motdave on Sept 26, 2005 23:40:33 GMT
Cat tests only apply to vehicles first used on or after 1 August 1992 (K reg onwards).
The VTS computer will tell the tester that the vehicle need a cat test on this age of vehicle ONLY if incorrect vehicle details have been selected. The problem may be with the date of first use. The system might have selected 31/12/1992 because only a year was supplied in the V5. This means that stricter emissions limits are being incorrectly applied to the vehicle.
Vehicles of this age are not all in the VSI database. If the vehicle cannot be correctly identified, then the VSI search must be aborted and details entered manually.
If you were to give Steven the information that he asked for in the previous post, then he would be able to determine where the problem lies.
If you don't feel safe with supplying the details in a post, then send them in a Personal Message. Only the recipient will be able to read them.
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Post by wingnuts on Sept 27, 2005 11:38:35 GMT
the details that where entered where correct as stated before but the computer thinks because of the engine code it needs a cat test.can you override this? computers are only as good as the data that is input originally, mistakes can and have been known to happen,had a maroon 306 once that came back as a 406.306 year was 1974 406 not even made then so it can happen
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Post by Admin on Sept 27, 2005 12:38:46 GMT
the details that where entered where correct as stated before but the computer thinks because of the engine code it needs a cat test.can you override this? The VTS computer must not make the decision as to what emissions test a vehicle is subject to. That decision is the Nominated Tester's responsibility. An older vehicle with a newer engine must be tested to the age of first use of the vehicle - not the engine. computers are only as good as the data that is input originally, mistakes can and have been known to happen,had a maroon 306 once that came back as a 406.306 year was 1974 406 not even made then so it can happen Agreed. But it is now down to the tester to select the correct details for the vehicle that he is presented with for test. Database errors can be corrected when the vehicle is registered for test.
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Post by NT on Sept 27, 2005 19:14:35 GMT
Wingnuts
If you have had the car for 3 years and they haven't done a cat test then they still should not have done a cat test just because they have gone computerised. If they found an exact match to tell them to do a cat test then that is the wrong vehicle and they should have reset the screen and tried again. If it still tells them it is a cat test then they should have aborted the vsi seach and enter the details manuallyl into the computer cos it was not a EXACT match cos should not have a CAT TEST.
This is what I would have done on this vehicle.
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