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Post by newguy on Sept 5, 2012 21:42:35 GMT
HI Guys,,,please can you help settle a few probs were having over the new items. i.e. abs,airbag,traction control,etc lights on during test are fails. e.m.l. on is pass/advise battery insecure is a fail,,,what section would that be under. inner c.v. gaiter burst or insecure,,pass or fail.
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Post by drivewasher on Sept 5, 2012 22:39:15 GMT
ABS airbag traction control esp & ssr lights are still P&A cos they are in Annex B untill SN tells us otherwise
EML is not part of test unless it relates to any of above and if does still annex B
Battery insecure is still Annex B so P&A
Inner cv gaiters are in annex A so are a fail item as from 1st Jan 2012
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Post by nitros44 on Sept 5, 2012 22:51:50 GMT
www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/Special%20Notice%2009-11.pdfThe link above will explain. NOTE;Annex B: List of New Testable Components was due to be implemented last spring but due to what ever reason the new testable components have not be passed yet and should be tested at this time but you will only be able to advise. I,E, Abs lamps are testable now. Air bag,Tc lamps are only advise at this moment in time. EML is advise Battery is advise at this moment in time.its in section 1.9 Inner CV gaiter? yes its pass,advise or fail. All the testable components listed in annex b should be incorporated within the test routine to get you familiar with them before they go live
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Post by drivewasher on Sept 6, 2012 16:28:31 GMT
Soz chaps ABS is testable now and always has been. I didn't realise i wrote ABS
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Post by newguy on Sept 7, 2012 21:43:15 GMT
Thanks,,ive had a tester who's failed an insecure battery. passed a brake warning light on with no advisory, passed an inner cv gaiter that was not even on the joint, though we thought that eml was a fail. left my decelerometer in a 4x4,,took 3 days to get it back.60 mile round trip,£20 diesel... he has been testing for 7 years. ive installed a new atl bay,,,,and he was adament that he didnt need to use the swivel plates,,only the shaker....etc etc etc ... any how,today was the last straw and thats the end of him.
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Post by drivewasher on Sept 7, 2012 22:00:25 GMT
How can he fail an insecure battery? As there is no RFR on the vts device yet
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Post by nitros44 on Sept 8, 2012 21:01:03 GMT
Thanks,,ive had a tester who's failed an insecure battery. passed a brake warning light on with no advisory, passed an inner cv gaiter that was not even on the joint, though we thought that eml was a fail. left my decelerometer in a 4x4,,took 3 days to get it back.60 mile round trip,£20 diesel... he has been testing for 7 years. ive installed a new atl bay,,,,and he was adament that he didnt need to use the swivel plates,,only the shaker....etc etc etc ... any how,today was the last straw and thats the end of him. This sounds like the type of person that we dont need in the mot scheme and Drivewasher is correct there is no rfr for a insecure battery. I dont like to see people lose jobs but it was wise to see the end of him rather then then VOSA see the end of the VTS/AE
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Post by Daveg on Sept 9, 2012 10:15:15 GMT
Reading the original thread it does read as though we should be thinking more along the lines of, "Where would I find that in the manual"? Let's take the battery for example. I am testing a vehicle and the battery is insecure. I open the manual and first off I don't know where VOSA have entered it into the manual, so I would start at the contents page. Section 1 Lamps, Reflectors and Electrical Equipment. Reading down the contents I can see section 1.9, so opening the manual at section 1.9, first off I have put a note in there to remind me of the latest special notice regarding this subject, so a read of the special notice advises me what to do straight away. If from this point onwards I need to look into the manual then the information column is the first place I look to establish any information I might require to know, then reading the method of inspection and reason for rejection I establish what I need to do. All I am required to do now is find that same information from the VTS device? At the enter test results screeen, applying reasons for rejection, looking now at section 1 because we know that the battery is in section 1 of the manual, we only need now find section 1.9 after clicking into section 1. As will be experienced using the VTS device, section 1.9 does not exist therefore the battery automatically becomes a Pass and Advise. However I have absolutely no doubt that some experinced member(s) are going to come along and edited/delete or even say that everyone knows this and it is not relevant? Daveg
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Post by drivewasher on Sept 9, 2012 15:21:42 GMT
How do you make notes in section 1.9? I assume you still use the paper version! As were not to use the paper manual anymore! I ONLY use the manual on the VTS device while actually entering test results. For all other references I use the official online version on the pc saves putting card in vts device and all that f5 faffing about During our recent site assesment by VE he asked me where the manual was, I put my card in VTS Devive and pressed F5, he than asked where the paper version was so I showed him the bin, he said he liked that
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Post by Daveg on Sept 9, 2012 17:52:58 GMT
How do you make notes in section 1.9? I assume you still use the paper version! As were not to use the paper manual anymore! I ONLY use the manual on the VTS device while actually entering test results. For all other references I use the official online version on the pc saves putting card in vts device and all that f5 faffing about During our recent site assesment by VE he asked me where the manual was, I put my card in VTS Devive and pressed F5, he than asked where the paper version was so I showed him the bin, he said he liked that VOSA advised the scheme that they were stopping producing the paper copies of the manuals and guides, and that the online manuals are the definitive guides. VOSA never said that any person could not download an up to date copy if they wished Obviously I must ensure that my paper copy reflects what the actual VTS device instructs us NTs at all times, but VOSA don't make amendments to the manuals without telling us, so my manual is fully up to date . Now VOSA also don't advise NTs how to manage the special notices, but I on the other hand have always made reference to them in the correct section of the manual, therefore I can at a glance see what the special notice is about in the manual, look at my paper copy in my file, and carryout the correct method of inspection from the manual when I am fully up to speed on understanding what I am supposed to be doing This is just my way of doing things which I have got used to, others will have their own methods, but I think my method is a good one, so if I asked you where is the information in the special notices for advising us NTs what to do when a diesel produces no printout, which special notice would you look in? On the VTS device, only a list of special notices are produced, and if after being consolidated a few times things get moved around, at the time of entering results, or wondering what to do during the test about something that has not gone straight forward, then if time is of the essence, panic can set in and mistakes made because finding information at time of test results is not always easy to find, therefore I feel that my methods cross referencing the guides, manuals and SNs work fine for me. Daveg
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Post by drivewasher on Sept 9, 2012 19:32:43 GMT
We binned the paper manual because as we where told by VOSA that updates to the manual will no longer be notified as it was live online and in the vts device. So it wasn't worth the risk of having an out of date paper copy. I'm shure we are not notyfied of changes to the manual
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Post by baz657 on Sept 9, 2012 21:29:34 GMT
The downloaded manual isn't accurate or current. The one on the VTS device is. End of. No paper required, a forest saved and an easy answer without wearing out a keyboard
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Post by David on Sept 10, 2012 8:28:52 GMT
Very true stick to the VTS Device, it includes S\N additions normally too
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