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Post by richard on Feb 8, 2012 21:33:24 GMT
I had a car in for MOT today and it passed first time but there were nine advisory points printed on the VT20. The customer asked us to undertake the repairs of all the advisory points today which we did as he wanted to sell the car. The problem is they all appear on the VT20 even though the repairs have now been carried out. The customer was concerned that the buyer would need to see the invoice for the work to assure him the car had been repaired. I think he just thought as the repairs had been carried out we should remove them from the VT20. Anyone else come across this?
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Post by phaetonott on Feb 8, 2012 22:07:11 GMT
More than once!
As long as we have carried out all the repairs!! and after checking!!
I will now print off a dupe certificate and hand write" repaired to mot standards" and my sig next to it.
It doesn't mean anything as far as the scheme is concerned, but makes the customer happy
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Post by aylesburyjock on Feb 8, 2012 22:08:24 GMT
Regularly. Some customers can be quite insistent, but short of carrying out another mot there's nothing to be done.
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Post by aylesburyjock on Feb 8, 2012 22:11:53 GMT
You sneaked in there while I was typing there Phaetonot, and that seems like a good idea. I will have to use that one.
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Post by phaetonott on Feb 8, 2012 22:12:24 GMT
The traders have got used to it now. Being told that they'll be charged for a new test if they want them removed really upset them, but I believe they now cut off the right hand side of the cert.
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Post by phaetonott on Feb 8, 2012 22:18:33 GMT
But it is a shame you can't "PRS" advisories. Did a car with a bald tyre and an advisory tyre on the front. Phoned the customer, saying it failed on one and the other is an advise. He OKed fitting two tyres. I fitted them within the PRS time allowance and went to produce the cert. You can't PRS and show the advisory on the fail cert but remove it from the pass. As it was fixed I didn't advise it, and the customer looked at his fail cert and picked up that the advise wasn't there. Took a lot of explaining, and still not sure he fully understood
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Post by Daveg on Feb 10, 2012 19:17:24 GMT
Reading the threads here it appears to me that people are confused over the purpose of the mot scheme rules? people who think the mot scheme is set up to advise them about the condition of their vehicles have no idea of the purpose of the scheme at all! As far as road safety is concerned, if any vehicle is driven on the public roads, then the government are saying that at the time the vehicle is used on the road, that vehicle complies with relevant road traffic act regulations, which are a higher standard that the mot scheme. If at the time of having an mot, the vehicle is advised of defects that are not normal wear items like say tyres, where the manufacturer may not give a minimum recommendation, then any other items that have to be advised at the time of mot as being close to the legal minimum criteria, as far as the mot scheme is concerned, is saying that the vehicle has not been serviced in accordance with the manufacturer recommendations, which are not the opinion of the garage and their staff. If then genuine wear and tear items are advised at the time of an mot test, like in the other thread I wrote about the worn suspension bush, then clearly the car does not have a professional service history, and any history the car does have is suspect straight away? The advisories issued are a record then against the vehicle presented for an mot test, they are there to say the NT has inspected key items and made a subjective decision on them, and they tell the government that the vehicle has not got a professional service history, which has nothing to do with the garage provided they have advised the customer of the condition of the vehicle when routine service or mot inspections are carried, therefore the owner of the vehicle, and the driver who drives it on the public roads are held acountable, so if advisories are present and not issued at the time of test, then the NT/AE at that point will be liable. Dave Dave
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Post by phaetonott on Feb 11, 2012 21:40:00 GMT
I don't know if there's any truth in it but I was told once when computerisation first came in that the police would be able to check mots from their cars as they followed you and be aware of the advisories and if they were bored might decide to stop the car to see if those items are any worse
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Post by spotty on Feb 12, 2012 8:34:45 GMT
Surely advisories are just that. The first priority of the test is to check that the testable items meet the minimum required standard, where there is some doubt, according to VOSA the instruction is then to pass and advise.
The thing that I have difficulty with is where do you draw the line with advisories?, you can't just confine them to testable items. What if you have a rear wheel drive car presented with some missing propellor shaft bolts? - not testable, but dangerous. What purpose does it serve to list obvious advisories such as damaged mirrors?
Advisories, by their very nature will always be subjective.
Maybe it would be a good idea to have a topic in which members state at what limits they would advise things at. Tyres, I would advise tread depth when they are at 2mm, the reasoning being that they start out at around 8mm and advising them at 3mm when they are just under half worn and at nearly twice the minimum tread depth seems a bit over the top.
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Post by aylesburyjock on Feb 12, 2012 16:24:50 GMT
What purpose does it serve to list obvious advisories such as damaged mirrors? That is the 'cover your arse' use of the advisory function. The example you use of mirrors is also a subjective one. We might all have a different idea of how much damage constitutes too much, or does the damage to the mirror casing constitute a Dangerous sharp edge? if you decide it is a pass and don't advise it, you cannot prove you noticed it at all if there is a complaint later. Shouldn't be necessary, but it very well might. Advise on anything and everything, even if you are just educating the presenter because what is blindingly obvious to you, he(or she) might not even have noticed. I like your idea of people listing the levels at which they would advise certain items. I do advise tyres at 3mm. You say(rightly) it's just under half of a new tyre's tread, I look at less than 1.5mm to failing, which is not a great deal. The presenter is then aware of the problem before it becomes an issue, and if it is due to tracking issues, which could wear it out quickly, he has no excuses
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