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Post by David on Jul 26, 2012 15:14:34 GMT
p.s. if a rubber boot could prevent the ingress of dirt etc when it's split, they'd be manufactured with holes already in them....to reduce manufacture cost's so ask yourself this.... ....why is a ball joint cover or boot manufactured without holes and with securing rings top & bottom answer = because it works and will still work if only a small hole present.....anything over a pin hole will not prevent ingress of dirt etc dude sorry
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nitros44
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Post by nitros44 on Jul 26, 2012 20:07:11 GMT
...there's another 3 words too daveg, prevent, prevented & preventing - one in the past and one in the future and one in the present. (see above). If it looks like it would not prevent dirt etc entering in the future it's a fail...simples, if it's got dirt etc in it's a fail, and if it's had dirt etc in it's a fail. Basically unless it's a tiny split it's a fail, pass and advise if you think the tear too small and that it will prevent dirt etc entering till the vehicle's next MOT After reading this post i had to scroll back up to the top of the page to make sure i had logged on to the correct forum as this post reads like part of script from the film Back to the Future!! ;D Things may change in the mot scheme,but what has not changed is for testers to carry out a inspection of a vehicle and make decisions regards the condition of components, at the time of test. So lets have a look what you wrote; Dave wrote; ...there's another 3 words too daveg, prevent, prevented & preventing - one in the past and one in the future and one in the present. My response to that one, ;D The only word i can see is PREVENT,as in now time of test. Dave then wrote; If it looks like it would not prevent dirt etc entering in the future it's a fail...simples, if it's got dirt etc in it's a fail, and if it's had dirt etc in it's a fail. My response, ;D what you are saying here is your failing components on what might happen in the future ,how are you going to know its got dirt in it as you in yourself does not look for it,you don't as you have already pointed out in a previous thread instructing a another member not to look for dirt within a defective seal/cover or have you done another U-turn after asking clarification elsewhere.The other classic one is how on earth is a tester going to know if a joint in the past, has had dirt in it!!!to justify a fail.If you are capable of foreseeing all of what you wrote than you are in the wrong profession. I think you may be getting a bit confused here with MOT standards and servicing standards as the MOT is not about deciding what will or will not last to the next MOT,you may have forgot that bit. The job of what will or wont last from year to year is down to servicing,not only what is contained in your post is load of crap its contradicting what you harp on in keeping it simple Dave.If anything you are confusing the issue. The past,present and future,WTF ;D
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Daveg
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Post by Daveg on Jul 26, 2012 20:21:33 GMT
That's a good one Nitros , sort the false prophets out from the real ones LOL ;D Daveg
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Post by David on Jul 27, 2012 13:52:54 GMT
Gentlemen trust me.....it's the first step in what could be a complete change to MOT Testing.
These are European Regs not VOSA regs.
Council members will confirm that what Europe actually wanted to introduce to the MOT would have meant huge expense to test stations for equipment, MOT testing similar to service level and an MOT test time taking nearly half a day.
VOSA put the proposals to the Councils we all worked through them and eventually what was introduced in Jan and what will be introduced fairly soon was the cheapest and easiest to include in the test.
Nitros it is a preventative introduction to the MOT test and more will sadly follow if Europe has it's way. The wording is key to the failure, a boot was a cv boot but it now means any rubber boot, steering or rear steering, ball joints and the likes all with the same fail criteria. I'm not trying to re-write anything...Europe is though!
Sometimes it's better to have big ears and to listen and learn than to comment without knowledge....I did that's how I know
Daveg.....pfffft your comments are typical
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Post by David on Jul 27, 2012 13:58:29 GMT
Nitros..I haven't suggest any tester do anything I said what the 2012 manual says and that is: if it looks like it won't prevent not is preventing, the ingress of dirt etc it's a fail. No need to examine the ins and outs of a cats arse as daveg would, just use common sense and professional judgement to assess what you see, if you think it can prevent dirt etc pass and advise, if you think it won't fail...... the pic used is a fail...
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Post by David on Jul 27, 2012 14:10:16 GMT
....I'll do a special daveg just for you nitros: pre·vent/priˈvent/ Verb: Keep (something) from happening or arising: "action must be taken to prevent further accidents". I don't forget much nitros, I do listen and learn when I have to though
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