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Post by Admin on Dec 8, 2008 22:33:34 GMT
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graham
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Post by graham on Dec 9, 2008 20:28:09 GMT
Excellent. Hope that is an end to it.
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Post by baz657 on Dec 10, 2008 13:15:52 GMT
Had a feeling that this was gong to be the (sensible!) decision.
Nice to see it confirmed.
That'll be the end of it now so we can invest for a future.
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abz123
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Post by abz123 on Aug 16, 2010 19:32:12 GMT
what is 4-2-2 testing?
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Daveg
NT & VTS Council member
I believe I am perfect, but others may differ in opinion?
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Post by Daveg on Aug 16, 2010 21:53:26 GMT
Had a feeling that this was gong to be the (sensible!) decision. Nice to see it confirmed. That'll be the end of it now so we can invest for a future.Do not put your faith in earthling man who is not designed to direct his own footstep, who will positively stumble and fall at every unforeseen occurance because it's back now Dave
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Post by localyokel on Nov 26, 2010 10:25:47 GMT
I've been in the trade for over 30 years and I know (as we all do)that there are drivers out there that if 4-2-2 comes in will drive a car until the wheels fall off if they're not compelled to maintain it to a roadworthy standard. 4-2-2 will cause carnage. It will probably come in but road deaths will rocket. Many people see the use of a car as a basic right not a responsibility,take all the ones with no insurance as an example. MOT repair quotes will write off a lot of cars!
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Motmac
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Post by Motmac on Mar 13, 2011 13:38:46 GMT
Well,it would seem that 4-2-2 testing is being looked at again by the government.some dramatic changes this year to the scheme and in my view is getting the scheme ready for it. If this does happen i can see some terrible consequences for our roads in the future....not to mention the impact on MOT stations. Here is a link to another forum where i tested a vehicle with just under 4k on the clock.. www.kelsey-forums.co.uk/cgi-bin/cmm/YaBB.pl?num=1295387026I believe the trade needs to speak out now before any decision is made by our government.
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Post by aylesburyjock on Mar 14, 2011 23:10:19 GMT
I think instead of us matching other european countries and going to 4-2-2, you'll find many of them looking to change to our 3-1-1 system. What are our conspiricy theorists going to worry about then? lol
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nitros44
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esto es un negocio serio
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Post by nitros44 on Mar 14, 2011 23:37:31 GMT
Ya next time your on holiday,take a look at the tyres on the transfer bus/coach.and no you wont need a tread depth gauge coz there is no tread to measure,coz that bus/coach aint had a test for 4 years.and yes i walked through the desert with a horse with no name coz there aint no one but to give me no name la la la la la la la la la la la la
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wheeltapper
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Post by wheeltapper on Apr 13, 2011 14:39:29 GMT
If anyone is interested enough to make their feelings about 4-2-2 testing here is the place to start: ellmanl@parliament.uk; steve.baker.mp@parliament.uk; dobbinj@parliament.uk; tomharrismp@parliament.uk; julie.hilling.mp@parliament.uk; kwasi.kwarteng.mp@parliament.uk; john.leech.mp@parliament.uk; paul.maynard.mp@parliament.uk; gavin.shuker.mp@parliament.uk; iain.stewart.mp@parliament.uk; julian.sturdy.mp@parliament.uk
These are the email addresses of the MP's on the Transport Committee responsible for making the recommendations to parliament. Please don't sit and moan about it, email your own MP's and also those on the committee. If you don't know who your MP is just Google "who is my MP", put your postcode in the search box and hey presto there it is, click on the MP's name and you will get their email address. So get your finger out and use it to type something other than a moan!!
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Post by aylesburyjock on Apr 15, 2011 19:44:43 GMT
Nice one wheeltapper. Hopefully enough people will take your advice to make a difference.
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Post by EcoTrans (Leicester) on May 15, 2011 21:10:51 GMT
Hi Wheeltapper. That is really useful stuff! I am still seething from Philip Hammonds' recent statement; He implied that the motor car had moved on in its' development (true) but the test had stood still. We all know that VOSA has fine-tuned the test over the years and it is there or thereabouts right. Furthermore he implied that it would be the government that saved the public money in test fees. Indirectly I suppose he's right but he could have made it rather more clear that any savings would be at the loss to the trade (if you see what I mean). I for one will e-mail those above expressing my disagreement with anything other than 3-1-1 giving my reasons.
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wheeltapper
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Post by wheeltapper on May 16, 2011 10:02:44 GMT
There is no new information available on 4-2-2 at the moment, it is still with the Dept for Transport and VOSA have not been asked for any input at this time. The VOSA standpoint, I believe, is completely against the idea of 4-2-2 but like all civil service departments they are under pressure to comply with the cut backs so who knows what might happen. If everyone registered on this site contacted their own MP as described above that would be a good start. There is more information available and an e-petition at www.mvcscotland.com
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Post by EcoTrans (Leicester) on May 16, 2011 19:22:52 GMT
As promised.................Thanks to Wheeltapper for those parlimentary e-mail addresses, here's what I wrote. Dear Sirs, MoT Test Frequency I feel reasonably qualified to comment on the above topic, my qualifications being readily visible at www.relief-mot-tester.com I also sit on the (Birmingham) Vehicle Testing Station council who regularly meet with VOSA to consult on matters of testing. I, and many others in the trade are rather concerned that extending the MoT testing frequency is not in the interests of road safety. The testers see many examples of failure items ‘nipped in the bud’ before the blissfully unaware owners come to grief. With the increased cost of living, ‘cutting back’ on MoTs is not a viable solution; see Leicester Mercury, May 16th 2011, page 2, “Death-crash lorry running on a mix of fuel and vegetable fat”. We see so many examples of owner neglect and if it is not, in effect, ‘policed’ by the more frequent testing then I’m afraid that we will all see the detrimental results on the road. I myself recently tested a five year old vehicle which not only failed the test but was in a dangerous condition because of an excessively corroded brake pipe & I recorded it as such. The frightening thing is that the owner drove the car away and then drove it back on a following day for repair. Furthermore, had the country been testing to what we call 4-2-2 (first test after four years, second test two years after that, and so on....) this defect would not have been detected through testing until the vehicle was six years old; too late I fear! Believe me when I tell you that every experienced tester has his own collection of horror stories. I have been testing since 1980 and the owner/drivers are no more conscientious about checking the ‘basics’ themselves now than they were then. The difference is that the volume of traffic is far greater now, you don’t need me to spell it out for you! Philip Hammond recently implied that motor car technology had moved on since the first MoT test, but the test itself had not. Well let me tell you and everyone else that was naive enough not to read between the lines, that the test HAS most certainly moved on. VOSA have some very experienced motor engineers and facilities at their fingertips and are constantly changing the test to reflect the contemporary motor vehicle. I for one happen to think that they, as I write, have the test about, or thereabouts right. Mr Hammond also implies that he / the government will be directly responsible for saving the motorist money, not quite the whole truth! If you, the reader, would prefer the opinion of those from outside of ‘the trade’ then please continue and have a look at the following from Which? that recently occurred in the national press. Which? believes the extension of time between MoT tests will have serious safety implications, and will mean more un-roadworthy cars on UK roads than ever before. David Evans, Senior Motoring Research at Which?, said: 'Increasing the period between MoTs is unwise and will, in my view, lead to poorer safety on UK roads. 'We know from our research that many owners neglect their cars as it is. For example, fewer than half those questioned in our last tyre survey knew the legal minimum tread depth, and more than a quarter relied on the garage to check tyre condition and tread depth at the annual MoT and service. 'And there are also many less visible parts of the car that could go unchecked.' AA President Edmund King has also spoken out about the proposed changes, saying: ‘Even if you have a new car that is three years old, it can still have bald tyres and failing lights. ‘We have surveyed 60,000 drivers and most of them think we should stick with the current regime. Rather than being a burden on the driver, we think it’s a good safety reminder for once a year. ................................................................................................................ So there you have it, and I thank you very much indeed for reading this through to the end. Yours Faithfully David Meredith M.I.M.I.
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nitros44
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esto es un negocio serio
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Post by nitros44 on May 16, 2011 23:17:44 GMT
Not much we already know then really,has anyone got any statistics on how many incidents,crashes and fatalities took place down to mechanical defects,tyre defects ect ect, to substantiate keeping 3-1-1 !!!!!
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Post by bentley on May 21, 2011 13:47:07 GMT
Not much we already know then really,has anyone got any statistics on how many incidents,crashes and fatalities took place down to mechanical defects,tyre defects ect ect, to substantiate keeping 3-1-1 !!!!! VOSA have those Stats. I have spoken to many people about this (4.2.2), Not ONE of them thought it was a good idea!
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Post by EcoTrans (Leicester) on May 30, 2011 8:48:27 GMT
Here's some stuff I found (not my own work). Para 5. perhaps best answers your question. Some interesting stuff without getting too long-winded.
1. Without the annual MOT, well over three quarters of a million cars would be in continued use on our roads with at least one dangerous defect, and on average 1.5 defects. With two-year MOT testing, that number would be likely to double, posing an even greater threat to road safety.
2. Given VOSA’s MOT compliance findings wherein tester errors erred on the side of passes that should have been failures – the real danger box numbers could be greater.
3. That despite having the third greatest vehicle usage for road passenger carriage world-wide in the OECD countries, Great Britain has the safest roads. By taking so many dangerous vehicles off the road every day, the MOT must be making a significant contribution to the country’s ‘best in the world’ road safety record.
4. Despite the undoubtedly useful contribution to road safety of VOSA’s vehicle roadside checks resulting in almost 25,000 prohibitions being issued in their last year of operation, their numbers are relatively small compared to the 816,893 dangerous defects discovered in MOT Testing stations in 2009/10.
5. Any attempt by TRL to ‘statistically’ link vehicle accidents to vehicle defects is almost bound to be a fruitless task due to the manner in which causation is recorded – as noted by the DfT itself in its own report. The only ‘hard evidence’ around relating vehicle condition to road safety is the number of vehicles detected in MOT testing stations as being in a dangerous condition to drive on the roads.
6. The unexpectedly large numbers of vehicles discovered to have dangerous defects during an MOT Test must, surely, provide good evidence to have more regular (than annual) MOT Testing (not less) of the key road safety vehicle components comprising the main danger box items; for example, brakes, suspension, tyres, lights and fuel leaks
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wheeltapper
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Post by wheeltapper on Sept 20, 2011 8:18:36 GMT
Hi guys, I was pleased to see that a few of you took up the gauntlet regarding 4-2-2. There is still no definite news relating to this but the of the record information I have appears to indicate that the proposal is being dropped. Still not definite but I will post any news on here when it is available.
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Post by audiman on Sept 22, 2011 22:36:15 GMT
Any idea when a definate answer will come from parliament?? Im in the process of making some important business decissions and it would be great to know the answer to this major factor
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Post by audiman on Oct 27, 2011 7:19:11 GMT
Any updates??
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